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Three new PITBULL tires

The Rocker "Extreme Off-Road"
http://coloradok5.com/ROCKERtiresmall.jpg

The MadDog "mud terrain"
http://coloradok5.com/MADDOGtiresmall.jpg

The Growler "All Terrain Extra"
http://coloradok5.com/GROWLERtiresmall.jpg

More info and sizes can be seen here: http://pitbulltires.com/pbfullpagead10042.pdf

prices? sizes?

Click that link to get the sizes, I will let him know he has questions on price. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

whats the tread depth? I see the right size there /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

How much are the 35x14.50x16.5 all terrain Growlers?

What's the average mileage expectancy? Tread depth?

Those are some sweet looking tires!! /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

rocker looks interesting. any plans on a larger tire than a 39.5? maybe a competitor to the 42 irok? hopefully in a 16-17 width? hint... hint... hint... /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif

We will have 33x1350-15, 16, 16.5 & 17 37x1350-15, 16, 16.5 & 17 - 39.5x1450-15, 16, 16.5 & 17 as well as the 35" in the Rocker. Maddog and Growler will be in 35" only for now. As for prices...we are still establishing dealers...and each dealer will set his own price.

It is our understanding that a couple of dealers are selling the 35x1450-15 Rocker for about $220 each + F.E.T.

As for finding dealers...you'll be able to use our dealer locator on our website www.pitbulltires.com (http://www.pitbulltires.com)

22/32nds tread depth on all tires.

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For now we are not going over 39.5 simply because we think that some states are going to start banning tires 40" or over.

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Ouch! That would be an ugly turn in lift laws! /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif

Thanks for the info! Please keep us updated with dealer info. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

need a dealer in Oregon??? /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif

We're always looking for dealers. If you want, give A.J. an email with your information and he'll call you back.
ajsansone@pitbulltires.com

sent email, Thanks Mike! /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

Of course it may never happen...but we're giving it until after the election and another 6 months or so before we decide on making 40" and larger tires. I'm sure we'll do them at some point...probably the end of next year. Because no matter what...you know that they'll always be legal for off-road use.

But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show? Which is fine...but it doesn't seem to me that there is that large of a market for giant tires.

I could be wrong.

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But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show? Which is fine...but it doesn't seem to me that there is that large of a market for giant tires.

I could be wrong.

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Dealt with Canadians much /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Those guys are freaks about driving their rigs to the trail.

I'm building mine with the same philosophy, drive it everywhere I need to. To that end, how soon will a 39.5x14.5x16 Rocker be ready for the market? I'm thinking I need new tires yesterday /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

Want to sponsor the OFN rig /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show?
I could be wrong.

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A lot of us require 40"-42" agressive tires so we can do this: http://coloradok5.com/uav.shtml
with 42" being the near perfect size for extreme rock crawling/trail applications. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Of course it may never happen...but we're giving it until after the election and another 6 months or so before we decide on making 40" and larger tires. I'm sure we'll do them at some point...probably the end of next year. Because no matter what...you know that they'll always be legal for off-road use.

But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show? Which is fine...but it doesn't seem to me that there is that large of a market for giant tires.

I could be wrong.

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40" plus tire purpose? Bigger tire, easier it rolls over obstacles. Bigger tire more ground clearance. Look around you will find plenty of rigs sitting on 40+ tires around here. Certainly less than the smaller ones but not everyone has the money to spend. I'm sure its a smaller market and thats your choice as to whether or not to make that jump. I have 39.5" IROKs, and if I could afford it I'd run bigger. Not that I've rolled my rig in a long time, but at the same time what does the guy who sells the tires care about that, I already paid for them afterall.

I noticed that OK4WD is a dealer of your tires, any idea if they have any in stock? Like to go take a look at them if they do.

I just noticed your statement of some states thinking of banning large tires. Haven't heard that anywhere, would be a good reason to weight.

how much for the 39.5 14.50-17? how well do they wear on road? How many miles should i get out of them? they look sweet, but i need a good dual purpose tire /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

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22/32nds tread depth on all tires.

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Thats it?

I just checked and all of the Swamper TSL radials and SSR's have 21/32.

I think that TSL's in a 39.5 are 25/32 and in a 42 are around 27/32

Sorry I was strictly talking about the radials, most bias ply tires do have deeper tread depth.

IROKs are mostly 21/32 I think, 42s are 24/32 and I think the 49s are 27/32, unf.

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IROKs are mostly 21/32 I think, 42s are 24/32 and I think the 49s are 27/32, unf.

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I almost ordered Iroks until i saw the tread depth differnce in 42" tsl vs 42" irok. 3/32 might not be alot but its enough.

Are you serious with this comment? /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Been to a mud bog? Never been to MI huh?
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But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show? Which is fine...but it doesn't seem to me that there is that large of a market for giant tires.

I could be wrong.

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Guys,

I think he was refering to a 40+" tire on a STREET vehicle, not an offroad toy...

At least that's what I GOT out of it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i don't know what to think about that comment. /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Yes...I meant on the street use for 40 + tires. We're finalizing the 39.5s right now and after talking with some of you, I'm thinking about 24/32nds on the 39.5 tires. The only drawback is the extra weight.
And you guys are right...I'm thinking like a manufacturer not a user when it comes to 40s or over. But just so you know...the 39.5 bias Rockers should be over 40" anwyay. I'm not going to know the exact specs until we make the sample tires in December.

Keep talking straight...we want to make sure that we make tires that you guys are happy with.

39.5s will be available in January. 24/32nds sound alright?

OkAuto has the 35x1450-15 Rocker tire in stock right now. Other 35" tires available end of next month...16, 16.5 & 17 in the Rocker, Growler and Maddog designs.

I don't have that information yet. I have to build them first and run them at the facility to get that kind of info. But the 35s are running well and wearing well.

well after comments like that...now I'm considering 24/32nds on the 39.5s. But the 33, 35 and 37s will all be 22/32nds.

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39.5s will be available in January. 24/32nds sound alright?

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24/32's sound great. Actually, make it as deep as you want. One month with my spool and they'll be slicks anyway's /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif

The 39.5 Bias Rocker is the tire I'm after. Perfect fit for what I plan on doing. If there is some kind of mailing list I can get on, I'd give up near anything to get my hands on a first run of these. Contact me anyway you want to give me the delivery date /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Thanks

KP

Actually...the Rocker rides pretty well on the road and doesn't howl too badly. The Maddog and Growler also bite pretty darn hard and also don't howl too badly. It's a subjective thing anyway...but they aren't as bad as others. Although..if you compare them to an All Season...yeah...they're rough and loud as hell. I honestly don't know what to tell you guys about this topic. You tell me when you've seen them run.

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Tell me when, where, and how much for the 39.5" rocker for a 16" rim and I'll let you know how loud they are compared to my swamps. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Tire noise is entirely subjective to the tires being compared and the person behind the wheel. My swamps are louder than my BFG A/T's, but that's little suprise. Thay are not, IMO loud though...

Tire noise means nothing to me compared to tire performance, off the road first, on road second (but close, I drive a lot on the highway)

KP

I am looking at the Irok info on their website. And unless I'm looking at the wrong thing...if you go to their website...they show 19/32nds on the 39.5 and 24/32nds on the 42s...with 28/32nds on the 49s. So I have no idea what to think here. All radials show 21/32nds. Regardless...we're doing 22/32nds on our current tires...and thinking about doing 24/32nds on the 39.5s. Weight is the only issue.

I could care less how loud they are and what thew street manners are.

I want my tires, 39.5 (44 even more), to be an OFFROAD tire.

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Weight is the only issue.

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Can you tell I'm excited about these tires? I want a set...

KP

Okay then...you guys have me thinking. I'm leaving town and won't be back until next week. Later...

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and thinking about doing 24/32nds on the 39.5s. Weight is the only issue.

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Granted, I don't design tires... but what is the problem w/ just going as deep as possible on the Rockers? Why not throw a full inch on there? Who cares about weight... what is a couple additional pounds on something that has to weigh close to 90 lbs anyways? If people bitch about having too much tread, tell them to go drive on the highway for a month and the tread will be right where they want it...

At this point, I could not care less about about weight, balancing, road manners or road noise.
Hell, I like the road noise...it reminds me of how much I paid for these hunks of rubber.

Make something in the 46 to 47 inch range.
Give Interco some competition...
By the way, I'd be honored to take the first set off the molds and bash them on the rocks.

thats the the only way to do, I believe you can't stand behind a product if you don't have personaly experience with it. If it works out my daily driver will get so I can be an Oregon dealer.

better make em cheap too /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Any pics or vids of these things in action, Id be interested in these! But why does the A/T look more aggressive then the M/T??? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

They look cool, and really wide.

Will these tires be round? (unlike TSL's..)

Rene

do you provide a sugested retail price to your dealers so we can have a ball park? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

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Okay then...you guys have me thinking. I'm leaving town and won't be back until next week. Later...

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Thats probobally why.

Here's the deal...we are going to make the 39.5 with 22/32nds. Without going into too much detail about it...trust me when I say...it's for the best...so the tires work awesome off-road.

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and thinking about doing 24/32nds on the 39.5s. Weight is the only issue.

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Granted, I don't design tires... but what is the problem w/ just going as deep as possible on the Rockers? Why not throw a full inch on there? Who cares about weight... what is a couple additional pounds on something that has to weigh close to 90 lbs anyways? If people bitch about having too much tread, tell them to go drive on the highway for a month and the tread will be right where they want it...

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The problem with having really tall lugs is that rubber flexes a lot. If it's a soft compound the rubber will actually lay over and when that happens it can't bite the terrain. Not to mention with tall lugs it feels like you're driving on brooms (imagine the bristles of a broom being the tread on the tire) and causes stability issues.

A sure sign of deep tread and soft tires is when the corners of all the lugs are rounded. Back in my ATV racing days we used to take Dico Turf Tamers (now Titan I believe) and have them spun on a tire shaver to make the tread less deep for hardpack TT racing.

However, I like the tires to have as deep as possible tread. Stick some wear bars in there for stability if need be.

For what's it's worth. Jeremy Crone came in first place both yesterday in the rain...and today when it was dry...to finish first overall in the stock class.

He was using our 35X1450-15 ROCKER tires.

It is my understanding that prior to today...his best finish had been 5th place.

He won by 9 points and was using beadlocks on the outer and running the tires 6 to 7 psi.

There were 19 competitors in his class and many running the BFG Krawlers.

Like I said...for what it's worth.

ok, who is Jeremy Crone? and where / what was he competing in? links?

For full info...go to www.neuroc.com (http://www.neuroc.com)

why thats a nice little plug isent it? /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

A.J. sent you stuff via UPS...you should be receiving it in the next couple of days.

Plug? Yup...of course. Vendor's forum and all. hahaha

Will anything in 33x12.5x15 be out by April??? /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

do you know if any one (amg website, ect) has done a revew of the mudder? like a head to head comparison with another tire?
featureing ratings in different catagorys?

if i could see a reveiw i would be locked into buying some /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Just woundering if you have a dealer in north Carolina or some where close to me?

33x1350-15s will be available in the Rocker by January. Our radials will be 33x1250R15 hopefully by next summer.

No dealer in NC yet. Working on it. In the meantime you can contact Ok4wd.com

Our dealer in NJ has been testing the Maddog M/T for about three months now. They should have some answers for you. Ask for Jim at OkAuto&4WD 908-454-6973 But he's not going to be there until next Monday...it's SEMA week in Vegas.

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good to hear

I just sent you an email for some Dealer info. I'd like to see some 46"-50" tires as well.. the 38" TSL radials I have now are needing to be upsized....

i like the wide array of rim sizes available. makes it easier than swapping between tires just because of rims.

Placed order with OK4wd for a set of the 35x14.5x15 Rocker's and will have them on 11/24. I paid $935.42 for the set Shipped. I also saw them on TYRES1.COM for a buck more per tire. OK4wd is running a special on them right now and have them in stock. I'll keep you updated once i receive them and had time to play with them. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif There replacing a set of 15x39.5x15 TSL/SX Swampers. I use my rig daily and play on the WeekEnds. The Look alone sold me. Look forward to the 39.5's when they come out. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

Correction /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif they are 38.5x14.50-15. Sorry for the type-o. The reason for down sizing is simple, /forums/images/graemlins/1zhelp.gif GAS MILAGE! As I mentioned, I use my /forums/images/graemlins/crewcab.gif daily and play on the W/E so I’m trying to find a happy medium between work and fun. With that said, I would like to say that FEDEX Sux’s! /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif They loaded my tires @6:24 AM yesterday morning and have still not attempted to deliver my tires! Gonna go call and bitch about it to someone else that doesn’t care now! /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif

FYI...we're going to be at the Off Road Industry show in Vegas - January 20-22nd. We'll also be at the Midwest Truckers show in Peoria, IL February 3-5. And we're going to do our best to get out to Moab.

I'm thinking about doing a 42x15.50-16, 16.5, 17, 18, 20 in the Rocker design. Any thoughts?

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I'm thinking about doing a 42x15.50-16, 16.5, 17, 18, 20 in the Rocker design. Any thoughts?

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My thoughts are Increase the tread depth on the 42's to that equal to or deeper than interco TSL (27/32), with a similar price, and You'll do very well.

The argument with tread depth on tires these sizes is that all of us who run tires that big are for the most part, very serious off road junkies. Since you advertise the rocker as your "top end" tire, don't cater for a second to the poser/mall rig/show truck crowd. If you need to adress lateral stability, add some wear bars.

A 42" would be great! I plan to add an addtional 6" of lift to the 10” currently in the later part of next year and that would allow me to add 42" meats to my /forums/images/graemlins/crewcab.gif Additional note: I received the 35" Rockers and have had then installed onto 15"x12" M/T CLASSIC LOCK Wheels and /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif WOW, what a great look. I was a little leery about down sizing from the 38.5” but after riding 120 miles out to my friends house I realize it was the right move. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif The Rocker is by far the "BEST" tire I’ve had the honor to ride on. There street behavior is superb and the Hummm is a lower pitch then that of the TSL/SX and half the volume. I can’t thank you enough for making a tire that rides as good as a AT but performs to levels no other tires i've used has. I hooked up to my friends Chevy on 36” Boggers and pulled his azz all over the pit! I use to get my azz pulled around the pit like a rag doll but now, the PitBull is biting back! I give the Rockers 10 Stars! /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

I appreciate the positive feedback. And you have described exactly what we set out to do...creat the ultimate off-road traction tire for the most extreme off-road circumstances...while also creating a tire that will ride well on the road. I haven't been pushing this in our marketing because I believe that the more people begin using our tires...the word will spread on its own. But I truly appreciate someone else coming forth to acknowledge our accomplishment. There's more to our tires than just looks.
The goal was to creat a tire that rides like an A/T, but kicks ass even in the most extreme off-roading conditions. The fact that you acknowledge that our tire rides well and doesn't hum like similar tires in its class affirms all of the testing that we have done around the country. We have a bad ass tire and I'm damn proud to say it.

Thanks,
PB

Tim -

Give me a call tomorrow around 11am.

/forums/images/graemlins/deal.gifGot more info! Today when I arrived at the Pit I play at, My /forums/images/graemlins/crewcab.gif was getting more looks/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gifthan Brittney Spears at a wet tee shirt contest!/forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gifLOL, Well not that much but close. Being the only one on in town (maybe even the state of FL) to have the Rockers installed,/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifI was getting question like “Are they cut Boggers?” “Has Interco come out with a new tire?” but after taking to the Pit and Pull Off, “Where can I get a set?” Man it is so cool to have a tire that everyone wanted to have! These tires clean very well in the mud and bite hard, dirty or clean. My 360ci Dodge Ram doesn’t have a ton of power which killed me with the Boggers and TSL/SX tires. I had a hard time keep them turning fast enough to keep them clean out. The Rockers doesn’t seem to take much power to stay cleaned out. My friend “Chevy, Boggers” wanted some more of the Ram in tug-o-war today. Again, dirty tires and all, Pulled him 20’ across the pad and down into the Mud where his/forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.giftransfer case broke…/forums/images/graemlins/histerical.gif Bet he’ll think twice before asking again! Man I can go on and on about these tires, your just gonna have to get a set and try them yourself. You’ll be happy you did. Interco move over, there’s a new Dawg in town. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

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I'm thinking about doing a 42x15.50-16, 16.5, 17, 18, 20 in the Rocker design. Any thoughts?

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just curious as to why the 15 was left out. /forums/images/graemlins/ears.gif

i would like to see a 42x15.50-17(any width in between there)x15

I'll second 42's in a 15" rim size.

Rene

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A 42" would be great! I plan to add an addtional 6" of lift to the 10” currently in the later part of next year and that would allow me to add 42" meats to my /forums/images/graemlins/crewcab.gif Additional note: I received the 35" Rockers and have had then installed onto 15"x12" M/T CLASSIC LOCK Wheels and /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif WOW, what a great look. I was a little leery about down sizing from the 38.5” but after riding 120 miles out to my friends house I realize it was the right move. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif The Rocker is by far the "BEST" tire I’ve had the honor to ride on. There street behavior is superb and the Hummm is a lower pitch then that of the TSL/SX and half the volume. I can’t thank you enough for making a tire that rides as good as a AT but performs to levels no other tires i've used has. I hooked up to my friends Chevy on 36" Boggers ” and pulled his azz all over the pit! I use to get my azz pulled around the pit like a rag doll but now, the PitBull is biting back! I give the Rockers 10 Stars! /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

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Where did your "freind" get 36" boggers? Or is this just another "mistake" on the sizes. Got any pics of the tires mounted on your truck?

Im gonna agree with others, if you want this to be a serious off road tire, offer more in a 15" rim and bump the tread depth up on the bigger tires.

15 inch as well...not a problem.

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Well everyone, they've decided they don't want my business. Not sure what to tell you about that, but in so many words after doing all I could to get a response from these people, this is the answer I was given.

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Tim,

Take this however you want, but judging by your attitude in this thread towards them, I wouldn't want your business either. You came off as an ass. Not saying you are or are not a good shop, but frankly, I wouldn't want you carrying my stuff either. Posting that in this thread also didn't do much too help. A new thread, or one in your threads you've already started IMO would have been much better served. They have paid the money, and your attempt at making them look bad in their thread is piss poor business. This isn't your thread...

Just my $0.02 FWIW.

KP

They have every right to choose who they want to represent them, I know some of the major suspension companies require a 50,000.00 buy in etc., some require a pysical shop. Bottom line is that it is to easy for anyone to get a business liscence and sell things on the Internet and Vendors have every right to protect themselves as well as their other resellers. Plus, how they choose their resellers has nothing to do with their products so lets try to keep that stuff out of these posts, thank you.

Yea, I have pic's. Email me @ mrtopgunis@yahoo.com and i'll send you some. Please referance PIT BULL ROCKER in the header. As for the 36" Bogger, yes they are actually 37". /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif

It seems Tims head is inflatted . /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
some things need to be kept private and some do things to get a reaction some times when I am in the process of hiring people I give them a little bit of a run around to see how long their fuse is kind of like an attitude test it works well because sometimes after the first little bit of trouble they shoot off at the mouth and then you find out how big of an a55hole someone is with out going through the hiring process to find out/forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif

Hey everyone. Mike from PitBull forwarded me to this thread because of the brief review above. Yes, I am a Jeep guy, please don't hold it against me. Additionally, I have been working with Mike on some testing of the Rockers for Xtreme OffRoad Magazine. I wanted to chime in for two reasons.
1. Mike and the whole PitBull team have been extremely helpful, responsive, and genuinely involved in the process.

2. Here's a picture:
http://timber.arxys.net/albums/album45/18000012_G_001.sized.jpg

If you have any questions, I'll answer what I can without giving away too much of the review before it comes out. Email me at jmoss@xtremeoffroadmag.com

PS: This is not a shameless plug for me, but a shameless plug for Mike and PitBull, they have been great.

Hint: Buy the tires now before the review comes out and the demand goes through the roof.

Any close pics you can show?

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This is the best I can do. I am not allowed to post any pictures of the review, but this gives you an idea. Check out the blingin' wheels too:

http://timber.arxys.net/albums/album45/18010024_G.sized.jpg

Cool, what kind of wheels are those? Kind of reminds me of an old 85 CJ7 I used to have.

StazWorks double beadlocks. Coolest rims I've ever seen in my life. And not just because they are on my rig.

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OK, rumor is these things are going to be priced similar or more expensive than TSLs. I don't know anyone that is going to spend as much or more for a tire that costs $250 such as a 39.5 TSL from a company that nobody has ever heard of and don't know if they'll still be around tomorrow.

In order for these "Pitbull" tires to be around in a few more years they'll have to outperform Interco's tires for less than Interco's tires.


I mean, they're cool looking and all... but so is a Thornbird. When you're talking about $250+/tire most of the general population going to stick with tried and true. You know a TSL probably won't be round when you get it, it'll have 25/32" of tread, they'll flat spot, and last you 10,000 miles.

http://timber.arxys.net/albums/album45/18010024_G.jpg

Mike's company is around 70 years old and is one of the premier tire distribution companies in the Midwest. From a manufacturing standpoint, PitBull makes some of the best tractor pulling tires out there and has for years. Just because they are new to this market doesn't make them a new company that nobody ever heard of.

On the other hand, don't buy them. Just don't knock them until you've seen them work. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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From a manufacturing standpoint, PitBull makes some of the best tractor pulling tires out there and has for years. Just because they are new to this market doesn't make them a new company that nobody ever heard of.


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that's just great, ProLine makes the best R/C car tires in the industry, but if they came out with a rock tire, almost nobody would know who the hell they are. on the other hand, just because people know the name doesnt mean the product is going to be good either.
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ok, start winning some MAJOR comps with them, get the name out there in all the big publications and big media. SHOW us how they work. again, bring it to us, dont make us go to you. 4 Wheel Parts, Jegs, Summit, National Tire and Wheel, and a whole bunch of other vendors dont buy advertising space in EVERY magazine on the shelf because readers go looking for it. if its in your face, and you have seen the parts proven on other pages in the mag, you're going to be curious. they put the ads there for the most part to put the info in your hand. as proven by your treatment of Tim, you obviously are too lazy to care enough to take some initiative and make a few phone calls yourself.

you've pretty much sold me on a set of tires allright, but they say SUPER SWAMPER on the sidewall.

anybody else find it fishy that these guys bring in 2 new members to pimp the tires?

put em in the hands of someone we know and trust, then maybe you'll get some orders.

1. I agree that no one should pay $250 a tire for a 35x1450-15. As far as I know...they're for sale on a few websites from $206 (introductory price) to $232 a tire...depending on who you talk to.

2. As for Tim. The guy has spunk and is passionate about what he wants and what he believes in. I'm sure that he takes care of his customers and works hard to make sure things are right. We will be setting up dealers for quite a while and timing is everything. Sometimes it's just not the right time for one party or another.

But I do agree that some things should remain in the private rhealm between the parties.

3. As far as how long the tires last...that's a good question. We know that they're holding up after 5,000 miles with little noticeable wear. But as for guaranteeing mileage...I'll be able to answer that question this summer. We've run tests and they have been lasting longer than other similar tires. But I'm not going to lie to you guys...I really don't have a concrete answer for you...and I don't want to speculate.

But if they last just as long, for the same amount of $$$ and perform better than other similar tires...is that worth buying a set??? Of course we anticipate that they will outperform other similar tires.

4. I appreciate the positive comments. We are an old company and have been around for a long long time...been through a lot of good times and bad (more good than bad)...but we're still here.

1. We didn't bring anyone in to pimp our tires.

2. Don't buy them until they've proven themselves.

3. We are going to be in the magazines, they have won a Rock Crawl competition and many reputable people have them and are testing them across the country.

And as for us having bad attitudes or big heads or whatever.

I'm not sure where or why we've been targeted as such?

The only thing I am is proud to be a part of something new and exciting...something that I had a part in. I am very proud to introduce a quality alternative to existing products. And I am extremely proud to offer a product, made in America, that will prove itself by raising the bar for the other companies out there.

This results in better choices and options for the End Users who want to have a good time enjoying the sport they love.

If that makes me have a big head...then my head has definitely gotten too big for my own good.

Hell...if we don't believe in our products...why should anyone else?

And we treat people who call us with respect and dignity. Sometimes...especially in the holiday season...other things are going on which makes it hard for us to respond as quickly as we would like to get back to people. That's life. And sometimes...the reasons for us not being able to get back to people as quickly as we would like to...are personal reasons...involving a crisis...and not having anything to do with business.

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That's right..I forwarded him the thread so he could read what other people were saying. I didn't ask anyone to come in to pimp us.

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OK, I am really going to have to call bullsh**. The reason I signed up on this forum is because Mike was excited about a positive review on this board and I wanted to check it out for background information on an article that I am doing. Believe me, if the tires suck, it will be in print in a national magazine. That is the risk they took by having us do the testing. We have not and will not sell out to anyone or any company. I did say that the StazWorks wheels were great, but everyone already knows that. As far as the tires go, they are still under review and a complete write up will be in our January issue. Now, to repeat myself. . .Mike and his company have been great to work with. . .that was all I was saying.

It really amazes me that some people can take something so far out of context and get so upset on the internet.

Even Mike said that you should see how they perform and what kind of reputation that they get before you buy. That is the very reason that we wanted to test them. He was willing to put his tires where his mouth is rather than just ramble on about crap that doesn't mean anything. Who else can do that???

And for the record, I personally have no offiliation with PitBull tires and my review will be objective based on their performance as compared to tires of similar specifications.

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Buy what you want, I simply don't care. My job is to report on these things honestly. To that end, you haven't even read my review.. .hell, I'm not even done writing it. I do have a strong feeling that the review will be positive, but, hey, it is too early to tell. I've got at least 4 more days on the trails, rocks, snow, and sand with them before I have a really good idea plus the long term. . . .

When and where can this reveiw be read? The 4x4 mags?

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January edition of Xtreme OffRoad Magazine

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And as for us having bad attitudes or big heads or whatever.

I'm not sure where or why we've been targeted as such?

The only thing I am is proud to be a part of something new and exciting...something that I had a part in. I am very proud to introduce a quality alternative to existing products. And I am extremely proud to offer a product, made in America, that will prove itself by raising the bar for the other companies out there.

This results in better choices and options for the End Users who want to have a good time enjoying the sport they love.

If that makes me have a big head...then my head has definitely gotten too big for my own good.

Hell...if we don't believe in our products...why should anyone else?

And we treat people who call us with respect and dignity. Sometimes...especially in the holiday season...other things are going on which makes it hard for us to respond as quickly as we would like to get back to people. That's life. And sometimes...the reasons for us not being able to get back to people as quickly as we would like to...are personal reasons...involving a crisis...and not having anything to do with business.

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I dont feel like you have any explaining to do.
Thanks for adding some more compition to the off road tire scene. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Now hurry up and make a 44 that will fit a 15inch wheel. /forums/images/graemlins/pimp.gif

Its already out.

Dude, what is your deal? If this is how you feel, then why don't you stay out of this thread and mind your own business? Personally I think its kind of cool to have a manufacturer advertising on the board and listening to peoples imput on how their tires should be designed.

He has also been very honost and has made no claims or promises about his tires, only reported on what they know so far about them as they are being tested.

And your basic TSL's are some of the cheapest tires you can get. I don't see how a new tire is gonna be cheaper than them. Most of the new tires coming out are much more expensive, ie Crawlers, Claws, and just about every other tire Super Swamper makes themselves.

Ya, I just have to get off my lazy butt and go get it... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But now I'm confused. He says he hasn't finished writing the reveiw, but it's in a mag already? Maybe I missed something.

Hey, me too. What gives?

November issue is out. January issue is being completed now.

If you subscribe by mid-December, you'll still get the November issue as well.

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Dude, what is your deal? If this is how you feel, then why don't you stay out of this thread and mind your own business? Personally I think its kind of cool to have a manufacturer advertising on the board and listening to peoples imput on how their tires should be designed.

He has also been very honost and has made no claims or promises about his tires, only reported on what they know so far about them as they are being tested.

And your basic TSL's are some of the cheapest tires you can get. I don't see how a new tire is gonna be cheaper than them. Most of the new tires coming out are much more expensive, ie Crawlers, Claws, and just about every other tire Super Swamper makes themselves.

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I'm with you on this. I wonder if he makes his kids drink cherry Kool-Aid just because he doesn't like grape? What an idiot, here take a big drink from the STFU cup...

. . and the review will be in January.

Gotcha, thanks.

It's all good. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and I believe 100% that everyone has the right to express that opinion...even if I don't necessarily agree with it. Hell..that's the American way...freedom of speech and debate.

I appreciate all the support and the cool people on the board.

We're just trying to be here to answer questions honestly and to the best of our ability. That's all we can do.

im excited about these tires, hopefully ill have a set of the them on my truck. the main points im conserned with is street drive, how long will they last. im not looking for a 80,000 mile tire but i want something that lasts longer than 10,000 miles

its something different that no one else has. /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

I've been running the Denman Ground Hawg for years because of how long they last. The hard compound makes them wear like iron, but the sidewalls don't have much give, so not much of a point trying too air down. I'd kind of like too see a tire that has good sidewall flex, deep tread that wears like iron, and, well we all know it sucks to get a hole/cut/rip in a sidewall. Extra sidewall protection for when aired down would be a very good thing in my opinion. Maybe extend some lugs futher out on the sidewalls for more grip when aired down. Thank you for coming on CK5 and asking for opinions. That shows me you want too provide the products the consumers want. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

funny, you're not in the staff directory...

The online staff directory? Yes, you are right.

Look at the staff directory inside the November issue and then inside for the content that I wrote. Anybody have a copy?

Yes, I have a copy and you are listed in the staff directory, great mag so far. /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif
Don't know why so many people are giving you guys a hard time, I guess people don't like new products? /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Mabye beacus it takes alot fo us a while to save for a new set of tires, and we are wary about droppin alot of cash on somthing that has little or no street credit? I dont care eaither way, if thaey had a tire in a 42-14.50r17 id get it, but i know for me its kinda scary to drop a grand on somthing that i know nothing about /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif

I understand that, simply wait until people start running them and then ask them how they like them. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Oh i agree, but not everybody is patient(sp)? I like them though dont get me wrong /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif, If i had the cash i would get some /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

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Because nothing gets people on this site going like a "which tire is better" - discussion, and usually a good fraction of participants are not even in the market for dropping a grand on said tires. Nothing new here, except with the twist of trying to extract a "demo" set of tires for "testing", all in the name of CK5 and "credibility". All a bit unsophisticated, I might add.

eldiablo, too bad this got aired out in your thread. Then again, nothing beats a good bitch post on this site for publicity.

Steve, I think this thread unfortunately shows that this forum needs a firm "Code of Conduct".

Well said, Michael, well said. People on this site need to grow up a bit when it comes to treating vendors with respect, especially when the owner of the site potentially loses money because of it.

I completely understand about not wanting to spend $1000 on a new set of tires that are new on the market. I'm from the "Show Me" state...so I have no problem with people waiting for proof of our tires' performance.

That being said. Magazines are testing our tires as we speak...and I assume that the articles will be out December, January or February. I do not know what these articles are going to say, and I did not place ads in their magazines...so there's no incentive for them to lie about our tires.

That being said...it doesn't mean that I'm not going to place ads in their magazines in the future. It just means that they're not going to write anything favorable simply because we placed an ad.

We want honest opinions and results...otherwise we cannot improve our products...and that benefits no one.

Our Rocker was used in the NEUROC Rock Crawl Competition a month ago and the guy using them won that event. You can go to their website or contact www.ok4wd.com (http://www.ok4wd.com) and ask for Jim and he can tell you even more about it.

Plus...we have many sets of tires on rigs all over the country being tested on a daily basis. So far everyone has good things to say about the tires.

That's all I have for ya...wish I had more to tell you.

Just so you know...bias tires always have stiffer sidewalls than radial tires. It's just the way that it is...the key is to make a tire that you don't have to air down too far and will still provide traction, stability and not come off the rim...even without beadlocks.

Plus...bias tires flat spot. But generally I don't see this as a big issue in most areas of the country. Driving a mile or so should solve the problem.

Only testing will tell us if we've made a better tire.

Hey, I live just down the road from Peoria, so I would like to see your display when I go to the truck show. Will the booth say Pitbull tires or does the parent company have a different name or? Thanks.

Parent company is Tire Mart, Inc. We will have a large display at the show for Tire Mart products and Pit Bull. Just look for the banners. I don't think it's a huge huge show...so it shouldn't be a problem finding us. Let me know if you really think you are coming and I can send you some free passes. Just give me your address.

Yea, I will be there, my company I am sure has a display there so I want to see that and I can check out your tires at the same time. Ill PM you my address, thanks!!!

I always find myself entertained by what i read on the internet. I for one read reviews and ask questions about everything i want to buy before i spend a dime. I am too pessemistic to do otherwise.
I read all about the "great" BFG MT's. Now that i own a set i think the only great thing about them is the wear. Hardly any at all so far. Off road performance has been marginal compared to the same size X-Tarrains i used to own.

That being said i will probably buy the Pit-Bull tires next as long as two things happen.
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A positive attitude and a little enthuasism will go a long way in this world and i for one hope that Pitt-Bull tires are all they are touted to be....and then some

I appreciate the input. I too hope that our tires are as good as we think they are...but only time will tell.

And as for positive attitudes...you are dead right my friend. We've all been through good times and bad...and the difference between survivors and quitters is that a survivor never gives up hope and grits his teeth and plows through.

That being said...we all have those days where we want to say one thing, but say another to the hemmorhoids in this world.

On the subject of the amazing expense of high quality tires, I always wondered what the profit margin is on tires. How much does a store make off of me when they sell me a 33" tire for $140? How about BFG. How much do they profit on a 33" tire.

I only ask this because I work with composites and some rubber. I know that it is cheap to mold products, even on the scale of a tire. The R&amp;D is expensive though.

Sorry to screw up the subject.

-Chris

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On the subject of the amazing expense of high quality tires, I always wondered what the profit margin is on tires. How much does a store make off of me when they sell me a 33" tire for $140? How about BFG. How much do they profit on a 33" tire.

I only ask this because I work with composites and some rubber. I know that it is cheap to mold products, even on the scale of a tire. The R&amp;D is expensive though.

Sorry to screw up the subject.

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a general question in the Garage might get you the answer your looking at or a search on yahoo or something.

oh and by the way, those tires look insane! /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif Cool name, cool look and I'm sure cool performance!


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Wasn't trying to be a jerk. Just thinking out loud. Sorry. The answer that I anticipated was that there isn't much profit since there is a lot of competition in the tire market.

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The larger places like 4WP, Desert Rat, NTW, et cetera make around 18% on TSLs. Smaller places that don't have the volume that sell for the same price as 4WP don't make much at all.

Places that make the tires have a lot of overhead from what I understand.

The Feb edition has the tire and wheels information in it. There was a mistake on our listing. They accidentally listed one of our dealers rather than Pit Bull Tires' contact information.

FYI

i have a quick question i would like answered.

you say on your site and in the info pack that the tires are agressive off road but quiter on road, when compared to simaler tires.

what do you consider simaler to each model?

like is the mudder being compared to say a bfg-mt, or a bogger?

is the all terrain compared to a bfg at, or ?

is the rocker compared to an iroc or?

just wondering dave

I don't want to type-cast our products by comparing them to specific competitor's tires. For two reasons:

1. I want to let our products speak for themselves and place themselves in the apex order of things based on their performance and not what we say we think they will do. Kind of the "forcing the square peg in the round hole'" scenario we wish to avoid. Our tires will define themselves as they are used in different applications.

2. I don't believe in talking about someone else's products, for many reasons. For one, people will make their own comparisons based on their experiences with certain tires they are used to using. You might think our tires compare to one brand, whereas someone else might say they compare to another. So what good would it do to create an artificial limitation on the perceptions of our tires by us comparing them to specific brands and models?

Jp magazine just came out with their tire review of our 35x1450-15 Rocker. Xtreme Off Road mag is coming out in the next two weeks with their review and I think that Four Wheeler's May edition, which comes out in March, will have their tire review.

My attitude is let them speak for themselves. The idea of having all of the different magazines test our tire was to get the people with experience...independent of our field testing and findings....to give their honest opinions. And the more people who test them, the more opinions there will be...but hopefully having five of the top magazines testing them, there will be some common experiences with and opinions about our tire. Some will probably contradict other's findings...but ultimately there will be some commonality in all of their findings.

ok i can under stand, but you do compare them to other tires buy saying they are quiter then simaler tires, so to make this comparisen you must atleast be comparing them to something.


just wondering as the tires look SUper agressive and kick ass. just wondering to what sould these be held up to.


i look forward to a review on the mudder :waytogo:

JP Mag said about the Rocker

"On the street, the Rockers ride suprisingly smooth and relatively quiet. We'd guesstimate the noise level to be only slightly louder than a BFG MT. While our abbreviated testing didn't allow for many highway miles, we can say that after spinning on hard granite all day long and severe throttling, the tread blocks looked brand new."

This is what I mean by not wanting to compare our tires to any specific make or model...but more of a category. Our tires are extremely aggressive...but they chose to compare the noise level to a BFG MT. But our tire is a hell of alot more aggressive than an MT.

See what I mean?

JP mag also said "The Rocker is a moderately priced, full-sized, high-survivability tire that's good for serious rock and sand use. Because of the tire's very flexible carcass and sidewall, we'd say bead locks are a necessity to get the most out of them. The tires worked about twice as good at 4psi as they did at 8 psi, so air them down."

Of course he was talking about Rock crawling and sand use...but you get the jist.

I will be seeing these in person next weekend I hope at the truck show. Thanks again for the free passes.

now that IS VERY IMPRESSIVE to be as quite as a bfg mt is damn near a mirical, so what? will your A/T sound like a slick then? lol

The Growlers won't sound like slicks, that's for sure. Neither will the Maddogs.

And we've been hearing good reports about the Maddogs out in many areas like Arizona...out on the rocks. And the Growlers have come back with some surprising news from upper Wisconsin in deep snow. So far so good.

Like I said, the magazines will be coming out with their tire test articles over the next few months...with three of them in the next few weeks.

As I receive information, I will pass it along. Ultimately everything will be on our www.pitbulltires.com (http://www.pitbulltires.com) website. Currently we are finishing the final touches on it...and it looks pretty cool.

yes i am looking forward to some info on the site.

One of the local shops just got a set of 35's they look pretty mean. The tread feels soft and looks ALOT deeper than the IROK's. But that might be the case with the rock crawler model, they haven't got any of the other models in yet. I can see if I can take some pics the next time I am at his shop.

soft compound>?



i am really interested on how they wear on the street, i dont want to be buying new tire anytime soon if i buy a set.

There are no other versions of the Rocker. It was designed to be an excellent Rock tire plus ride well on the street and take abuse. JP mag noticed this fact...which I was very happy about.

The question is, how long will the tread last? I don't know. Indications so far in our field testing is that the tread is doing what it is supposed to do...flex, grab, bite and be tough. It will probably take a year and a half before we can safely guesstimate how long the tread will last. But so far so good.

I wish I could give you guys a better answer...but I would be speculating. All I can say is that if the tires outperform off-road, drive smooth and relatively quiet on road, but only last as long as your current bias aggressive tires...is that worth buying them?

I tryed the link at the beginning and the one from your site to the .pdf file and neither worked.


What sizes are available for a 16.5 rim ?

33", 35", 37" & 39.5" will all be available in a 15, 16, 16.5 & 17" rim

Are these true size tires?(35" tall)gp
BTW Please make the growler in something 37-38" tall in a 15" rim...

I should have our official website up here in the next 12 days. I should have most of my tire specs on there soon after.

I was wondering if anybody knows the cheapest place to buy 35x14.50x15 Rockers. Between me and my wife we have 7 kids........money is really tight (as i'm sure it is for most) but i have been building my Chevy 350 TPI jeep for 3 years now and I'm really close to driving it!! All I need is tires and exhaust and it will be done !! I have tax money back and want to get the Tires and rims done now while i have the money!! I have been reading this forum for a few weeks and I saw somewhere I could find these tires for about $200.00 but i can't find them. Please help....I don't want to buy a cheaper set of tires. The Pitbull Rockers looks SWEET...and I would like to be the first around here to have a set !!! And it would be the finishing touch i need to be driving my sweet jeep!! Thanks for ANY help !! :cool1:
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Jeff

I've been reading thru your posts here and I'm glad I found them. Your site does not appear to be up yet and its been 12 days....lol. I'm just bustin' your chops there man...:D .

I was about to buy a new set of 39.5 Irocs until I just (tonight) saw your tire (Rockers) in my new issue of Petersens in a Tyres Int add. So I got online and went to searching. No search engine pulls up your new site (pitbulltires.com) by the way. I found the link to this forum on like the 3rd or 4th page on a Google search.

Any way, I think I'm going to go with your 39.5X14.5X15 Rockers instead of the Irocs. The lowest price I could find was $271ea. at OK online. Well I'm pretty sure that doesnt include shipping and they are already $50 a tire more than the Irocs. Is there a place to buy then for less? And is there a place to buy them in Kansas or Colorado? I live in Colorado and My Jeep is in Topeka at bud Mikes shop (4X4Land...shamless plug for a serious bud...lol) getting full witdh axles put under it.

Any help would be awesome... I did read thru the thread and I'll tell you that I aint scared to run them. In fact This is the tire I want on my rig. You tell me where to get them and I'll run'em for sure.

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What happened to ya buddy? Still hoping for some assistance. My pal at 4X4Land doesnt know how to get to your tire either??? Getting close to having to get the... well you know, the I word....lol. :xmas:

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I hear ya.......I'm also trying to find a deal on pitbull tires. This weekend if I can't find a deal..........guess I'll go with the "other" guys tires. Can't say I didn't try.............................I would think the more tires you get out there, would be advertising for the pitbull's

I agree. I dont know about you but i'm on the trail a huge amount and I have not seen any of these. True enough that is prolly because they are new, but I sure wouldnt mind having them on mine first. :cool1:

I think having to live with Irocs wouldnt be to punishing though.....lol.

Sorry guys...been traveling a lot and now in Moab. We ran our tires out here. Very pleased. Jp magazine March 2005 and Four Wheeler May 2005 have now come out with Tire Test reviews on the Rocker. So has Xtreme Off Road magazine...second edition. Good articles...read them for yourself.

website is up and running...although some bugs to work out...but not going to get too hard on my website guy...it's Easter weekend and he's with his family. But most of the stuff works on the site. www.pitbulltires.com (http://www.pitbulltires.com)

As for the cheapest place to get our tires. We have 30+ dealers across the US and adding more every week. So I'm not sure what to tell ya...use our Dealer Locator (although not all dealers are listed yet but will be soon....most dealers are listed)...and see what you can come up with...I really don't keep track of the retail pricing for each of our dealers. Some are less than others...but who they are...I really don't know...and I'd hate to push one dealer over another, if you know what I mean.

I appreciate you guys wanting to try our tires.

I checked out your website. Everything looks great to me! ;) I can't wait to check out your tires in person.

look very good.

you even have a dealer about an hour and a hlaf from me

not to shabby, woulde really love a rough guesstamit of a muddogs life (more for the wife them me ;) )


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I wish I could give you a number on how long the tire tread will last. I really have no idea. I do know that you should probably check out pirate4x4.com and see what some of the guys are saying about the Maddogs off-road performance. It's damn good. I'd say that they work better than most stuff that's out there.

I'd rather you wait and talk to other people, than buy our tires with any kind of reservation. We want you to feel good about buying our products. So in all honesty...hold off until other guys have run them and can tell you a little more about them. Me telling you how great our tires are means nothing...they're my tires and it's hard for me to be unbiased about them.

But I truly appreciate your interest in them. Like I said, you might want to hold off on buying some until more reviews and real world testers use them. We have a lot of guys across the country testing them since August of last year. And many guys have bought them as well...in the 15". I've also sent sets to a couple of the major off-road magazines for independent reviews.

I just feel more comfortable with other people, not affiliated with my company...telling you guys what they think about our tires. It seems to mean more I think.

Just read the review in Four-wheeler yesterday. It seemed honest and objective. I personally have no reservation in buying the tire from a mileage stand point nor from a performance stand point. I think it will do very well off the road and I dont drive on the road enough to worry about it.

However, I think the Rockers direct competition is the Iroc. I'd rather run the Rocker and would love to be the first on the trail with them, but for about $45 more a tire... Plus shipping it seems to have priced itself out for now for most people. Sure if you are in competition it works, especially when they are given to you. Us poor folks don’t have the luxury though.....lol. :cool1:

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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Irocs & MRT Beadlocks.
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Pricing is dictated by each dealer...and we're setting up more all the time. Don't know about Colorado Springs though...I seem to recall that we're talking to some people about it.

As for shipping...when we set up a local dealer in your area...there shouldn't be any shipping..if that dealer buys enough quantity...which isn't a large amount. And for $180 more per set...is that worth it if your tires work better on and off road, have better off-road traction, clean out better, hold the rim better, are bigger & fatter tires (so you are actually buying a 35.5" OD and 15.25 S.W. with a 12" Tread Width...versus other companies' smaller true specs... and a bias tire that can flex...but because it's bias you have strength which means...a tougher all around? In fact, because our tires flex more as they heat up...you will have to change the air pressure over time as you break the tires in.

I guess what I'm saying is that you can't compare our 35x1450-15 or any of our sizes directly to anyone else's sizes. Our tires are bigger and fatter TRUE specs...so you get more bang for your buck.

Compare the specs above on our 35x1450-15 Rocker to other tires out there...you'll see what I mean. Specs for this tire are based on a 10" at 30psi.

Oh yeah I don’t doubt your tire nor its size. In fact I'm going 39.5's and really like your tread depth. And I actually live 20 min from Denver.

Just talked to your guy at your dealer here in Denver. Super nice guy and said very good things about you El. He is more than willing to work with me and meet where we need to to get the product out. I will for sure be an advocate for this guy and his company here locally (buying these tires or not). Working together in the community... don’t-cha just love it.... :D .

I'm actually pretty excited about running these. I mean I truly think that the Iroc is a BA tire and works... but everyone has them.

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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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I'm glad to see that you finally got your site up and running.......And may i say, ......I love the intro !!!
As for my tire problem.......I broke down and bought the rocker's !!
(35x14.50) ,can't wait till they get here.
I have been looking for the right tire for my jeep built. I liked what i saw and read about "pit bull" tire!! I will reply my thoughts about them when i get them. :cool1: I will try to upload a pic of my jeep soon......(before and after)

C-ya on the trails.........
jeff

Glad to hear that you called our Denver dealer. They are a well-established company and good people. I'm sure they'll take good care of you...and if not...you've always the forum or Private Message to let me know. But I'm sure you'll be happy with their service.

We appreciate your support of our products.



Oh yeah I don’t doubt your tire nor its size. In fact I'm going 39.5's and really like your tread depth. And I actually live 20 min from Denver.

Just talked to your guy at your dealer here in Denver. Super nice guy and said very good things about you El. He is more than willing to work with me and meet where we need to to get the product out. I will for sure be an advocate for this guy and his company here locally (buying these tires or not). Working together in the community... don’t-cha just love it.... :D .

I'm actually pretty excited about running these. I mean I truly think that the Iroc is a BA tire and works... but everyone has them.


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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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Went by and talked to Dick, great guy. He showed me around their warehouse... man if there is a tire made they have it sitting in there, no doubt. Anything from a PitBull to an airplane tire to a tractor tires bigger than my Jeep (literally).

Any way he calle dup a rep from your company and the rep told him that they wouldnt have the 39.5's for another 3 weeks or more? Said that the mass production of the 39.5's had not begun yet. I was under the impression that they were ready to go?

Any way, I've got one question for you... How in the heck do you get a 6 ply Bais Ply tire to be that flexable? Man that was like pushing down on a radial. In fact he had a (mortal) 35X12.5 radial sitting right there and it did not flex, pushing down on it, near as easy as the PitBull 35X14.50. Sure I know its wider, but its not by much and yours is Bias ply. He had a 35X13.5 Thornbird there (waste of rubber BTW) there as well, pushing on it was like pushing on concreat.

So El... when ya going to make these puppys? I'm ready for them. And dont skip the "HOW" question either.....lol.

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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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El,

Something very important, to me any way, is the exact specs for the 39.5's. You dont list this on your web site, can you give it to me please?

Tread Depth= I know this one, 24/32nds.

Tread Width= ??? Actual teadth width Lug to Lug (in decimal inch not counting side biters IE... 12, 12.8).

Over all Diameter= Actual (in decimal inch IE 39.5 or 40.3 whatever).

Side wall to side wall width= 14.5, 13.8 or 14.7 ??? (again, in decimal inch).

Thanks man. I really am digging this tire but these are for sure things that go into a final decission, thanks for giving it to me or for finding out.


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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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Glad you went over there and saw their place.

Our tires do flex well...ancient secret. Radial tires are a waste of time. Bias tires that flex are best for 4x4.

Anyway...as for specs...I'm working on it. It's not as easy as looking at the blueprints and coming up with a number. And when I get all the specs for all my tires...I'll release the information on our website. It's going to happen in the next week or so...I hope.

As for production on our 39.5s...end of April is correct for the target on having them out. They are currently in production and have been for quite some time. Testing takes a while to make sure that every tire is exactly at optimal standards. Sure, we could kick out any old tire...but we don't want to do that. We want them to be exactly right. So, that means that time schedules become flexible if you know what I mean.

I know it sucks because it's taking longer to get all the sizes out there...but my feeling is that you guys are paying good money for our products and I owe it to you to give you the best product I can for your money.

El,

I have been following this thread for a while and wanted to take a minute and compliment you on how you have been handling yourself and representing your company! I think it's great that your willing have this exchange and demonstrate your support for the "Average guy". Your quote (below) is a perfect example!

I know it sucks because it's taking longer to get all the sizes out there...but my feeling is that you guys are paying good money for our products and I owe it to you to give you the best product I can for your money.

As new tire time approaches, I will seriously consider your tires.

Thanks for for keeping us updated and keep up the good work! :waytogo:

Andrew

Here, here to Hickman's statment. I raise my class of water along with.

Specs: This is out of the May issue of Four Wheeler Magazine for the 35X14.5-15.

Tread Depth= 22/32nds.

Tread Width= 12.0

Over all Diameter= 35.5

Side wall to side wall width= 15.25

To my surprise the tread Ply is only 4 Ply. Is that why it is so flexable? I hope the 39.5 is a 6 Ply. Other wise the same spec with 24/32's tread and 39.5 or better true height I'm all over that.

Bottom Line on the tire (Strait from the Mag):
"Maybe we were lucky and hit all the trails at the right time, but it sure seems that the Pit Bull Rocker is a great all-around tirefor those who want or need an agressive tread. That it also behaves very well on the street was an unexpected bonus. Either way, the carcass is supreamly flexible, offering a comforable ride and--in good old bias-ply fashion--envelopes obstacles very well for great traction. FW"

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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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Here, here to Hickman's statment. I raise my class of water along with.

Specs: This is out of the May issue of Four Wheeler Magazine for the 35X14.5-15.

Tread Depth= 22/32nds.

Tread Width= 12.0

Over all Diameter= 35.5

Side wall to side wall width= 15.25

To my surprise the tread Ply is only 4 Ply. Is that why it is so flexable? I hope the 39.5 is a 6 Ply. Other wise the same spec with 24/32's tread and 39.5 or better true height I'm all over that.

Bottom Line on the tire (Strait from the Mag):
"Maybe we were lucky and hit all the trails at the right time, but it sure seems that the Pit Bull Rocker is a great all-around tirefor those who want or need an agressive tread. That it also behaves very well on the street was an unexpected bonus. Either way, the carcass is supreamly flexible, offering a comforable ride and--in good old bias-ply fashion--envelopes obstacles very well for great traction. FW"

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'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" Pit Bull-Rockers & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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appreciate the positive comments. Actually, the tire is a Load rating of "C" - 6ply.

Some of the 35" 16, 16.5 & 17 tires are shipping to certain dealers in the next couple weeks.

I hope you're still thinking about some 42's. I've got a set of 16" rims looking for companoinship :D

How soon are the 39.5x14.50-16 rockers going to be avaliable to the public?

Working on some bigger sizes...end of year availability

As for 39.5s...waiting to hear back from the production manager at the plant.

We've decided to make 39.5x1650-X Rockers rather than 39.5x1450-X Rockers.

Average specs are as follows:

OD = 39.5+
Overall Width (side bulge to side bulge) = 17.25"
Tread width = 12.8

We are in the process of working on tall and thin tires and other sizes for late in the year.

Bummer... to wide for me I think. Kind of takes me out of em'.



Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, 37X13.50R M/T Claws, Lic-1BADCJ8
Going to Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/OX, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks.
http://www.82cj8.com
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Bummer... to wide for me I think. Kind of takes me out of em'.





Yep to wide for me 38.5x15-16 boggers here I come

The Interco's run much less expensive and are proven. I was getting pretty excitied about running these actually but for the money diff and the size diff I gotta pass. Plus I cant afford to need to buy more later, my next set has to be on for a long time.

Also the newest review I just saw on them in Petersens ONCE AGAIN says they are a 4 ply tread. I know you have said they are 6 ply El, but the reviews are not????

I can't speak for the reviewers...our 15" tires are Load Range C and our other rim sizes are Load Range D

As for the last minute changes...sorry fellas. The good news is that we are working on other tall and thin tires.

But before you make a decision....I'd doublecheck the spec information on other companies' tires before you say not to the 39.5 Rockers.

But cant a tire be Load range C and still be a 4 Ply Tire? I dunno maybe I understand that wrong. Just thought you would want to to know they are advertizing it as such. That would certainly explain why they are so flexy.

As for the specs on the Iroc's...lol... I have visited the Interco page very frequently... theres on the Iroc is; 39.5x13.50-X, 6-Ply, 20/32 tread depth ( really like yours at 24/32nds), Tread width 11.8in., 39.5 O.D. and 15.6 wide (side bulge to side bulge).

I think they are very comparable and was not to carried away with a 4 ply VS a 6 ply, I mean obviously the 6 ply isnt going to flex as well but is much tougher... but yours will be a full 2 (true) inches wider. As well, even with a seemingly good deal offer they are still much more in cost. Even with a deal they are $200 more for pretty much only to look different.

Now that they are so much wider doesnt seem like the best way to go for me. However I think you guys will sel lthe crap out of these for the most part.

El you seem like a great guy and hope you the best but the last min change you got me on the outs brother :D .


Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/ARB,
D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks. Lic-1BADCJ8
http://www.82cj8.com
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But cant a tire be Load range C and still be a 4 Ply Tire? I dunno maybe I understand that wrong. Just thought you would want to to know they are advertizing it as such. That would certainly explain why they are so flexy.

As for the specs on the Iroc's...lol... I have visited the Interco page very frequently... theres on the Iroc is; 39.5x13.50-X, 6-Ply, 20/32 tread depth ( really like yours at 24/32nds), Tread width 11.8in., 39.5 O.D. and 15.6 wide (side bulge to side bulge).

I think they are very comparable and was not to carried away with a 4 ply VS a 6 ply, I mean obviously the 6 ply isnt going to flex as well but is much tougher... but yours will be a full 2 (true) inches wider. As well, even with a seemingly good deal offer they are still much more in cost. Even with a deal they are $200 more for pretty much only to look different.

Now that they are so much wider doesnt seem like the best way to go for me. However I think you guys will sel lthe crap out of these for the most part.

El you seem like a great guy and hope you the best but the last min change you got me on the outs brother :D .


Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, SOA, Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/ARB,
D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks. Lic-1BADCJ8
http://www.82cj8.com
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I apologize for the last minute change.

As for the difference between our tire and another brand as only looks...I have to difffer with you on that one. It's not merely a difference in looks...but functionality as well.

But I appreciate the positive comments and support. Sorry we didn't have a tire sized right for you this time. We will in the future.

So...what do you think about your Rockers?

Just saw this...

Any way, I had to go with the Iroc's becasue of the size change and I like them a bunch. But I am considering the A/T Pit Bull's for my truck I really like the way they look.

Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, Rubicon Express SOA, Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/ARB, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks. Lic-1BADCJ8
http://www.82cj8.com
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http://www.82cj8.com/images/FullWidth40s-1med.jpg

Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, Rubicon Express SOA, Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/ARB, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks. Lic-1BADCJ8
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Last 4x4 mag I read said they are not available in any tread pattern for 15" rims... is this correct? I like the look and I like the review, but I'm not about to go buy new rims... I like my stock 8 inch wide 15 inch rims...

The last article you read was wrong. All of our tires come in 15, 16, 16.5 & 17" rims.

http://www.82cj8.com/images/FullWidth40s-1med.jpg

Danno
'82 CJ8, 4.0L HO, Rubicon Express SOA, Mike built 67" 3/4T Axles 5:13's, D-44F w/ARB, D-60R w/Det- AutoTrans- 4:1tc- 39.5" IROCS & MRT Beadlocks. Lic-1BADCJ8
http://www.82cj8.com
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So what do the tires you bought measure out to be?

1. Check out new pics on the website
2. Tire specs are on Tire Info page...lower right hand corner.
3. All sizes are out...some are harder to get than others because of volume of existing orders. 39.5x15s and 17s are hardest to get right now...but more are being made as we speak.
4. Maddogs are being reviewed by top magazines.
5. Bowling Green, Crandon, Bloomsdale, Chula Vista and Vegas. If these names don't mean something to you...then go to our website...we are traveling a lot this year and the News section has updates.

Real Sidewall Protectors - that help protect the sidewall and rims from impact.
Rim Guards - gotta have ’em

would this impact or restrict the tire use in beadlocks? especely hummers?

and when would you expect the skinyer tires to be avalable for the maddog?

in 33 and 35'? for 16.5

Of course it may never happen...but we're giving it until after the election and another 6 months or so before we decide on making 40" and larger tires. I'm sure we'll do them at some point...probably the end of next year. Because no matter what...you know that they'll always be legal for off-road use.

But let me ask this...why the hell would anyone want a 40" or bigger tire unless you're just doing it for show? Which is fine...but it doesn't seem to me that there is that large of a market for giant tires.

I could be wrong.


and play in sum of this mississippi river gumbo that will suck the floor boards off ur truck and you will see why we need tire bigger than a 40" you need at least that to hit the trails here and u still will winch quite abit..its getting where 44's aren't tall enuff hence the 49" iroc's ..i can tell your not from the delta

FYI...we're going to be at the Off Road Industry show in Vegas - January 20-22nd. We'll also be at the Midwest Truckers show in Peoria, IL February 3-5. And we're going to do our best to get out to Moab.

I'm thinking about doing a 42x15.50-16, 16.5, 17, 18, 20 in the Rocker design. Any thoughts?

make a 20-50" and i will hold off on ordering the 49" irocs

Well said, Michael, well said. People on this site need to grow up a bit when it comes to treating vendors with respect, especially when the owner of the site potentially loses money because of it.

but the full members and the registered members too...
i have put beater_k20 on a permanent look over
all i've ever got from him is put downs and mistakes pointed out and plain old crap...never any advise or information just straight up put downs when try'n to be serious and learn someting or explain things ...
i think he had a bad childhood or he's still a child...
thats what he sounds like to me a 14 yr old brat thats here just to start flame ups as they call them ,arguements or piss sum1 off because he's a poser and wishes he could wheel and he can't even if he does have truck(it probally has 4 mismatched street tires) and he's gett'n pulled out and can't drive it, so he talks SHYT to people who do and he's flat out jealous! i almost sent him a virus the other day right after i pinged him and got his ip address its a wonder what darks revenge will still do,but that would be going to his level so..i've ignored him...if i was you i would do the same, but since i don't see his mouth anymore i guess i won't fry his hard drive!

but the full members and the registered members too...
i have put beater_k20 on a permanent look over
all i've ever got from him is put downs and mistakes pointed out and plain old crap...never any advise or information just straight up put downs when try'n to be serious and learn someting or explain things ...
i think he had a bad childhood or he's still a child...
thats what he sounds like to me a 14 yr old brat thats here just to start flame ups as they call them ,arguements or piss sum1 off because he's a poser and wishes he could wheel and he can't even if he does have truck(it probally has 4 mismatched street tires) and he's gett'n pulled out and can't drive it, so he talks SHYT to people who do and he's flat out jealous! i almost sent him a virus the other day right after i pinged him and got his ip address its a wonder what darks revenge will still do,but that would be going to his level so..i've ignored him...if i was you i would do the same, but since i don't see his mouth anymore i guess i won't fry his hard drive!

permanent look over huh? that's cute. are you going to inspect every thread i post in to make sure its up to your standards? try posting something intelligent once in a while, and maybe you would get some good advice, rather than looking like a complete moron. actually i had an average childhood, and have worked hard for everything i have. my K20 does have all seasons on it, and no, i dont wheel it. why? because it was my grandfather's truck, and i dont intend on cutting it up. it will be in my posession until the day i die. i had a rig that would've rivaled most of the hardcore rigs on this site, but i got bored building it, so i sold it.

as for your little comment about frying my hard drive, the moderators will be notified, since that is a threat, which is against forum rules.

look who replied, to bad that member is on my ignore list or i would have something to read ...
just let it go man if u hadn't been such a prick in my side when i joined on every post we wouldnt be here..

i have no desire to read your insults anymore....

oh i had another person that lives a block from here that has a 1st gen k 30 shortened with a '98 bed on it (well he is scared the government or some1 is watching him and is signed in like he likes in alabama or georgia or something and has his computer setup to not even reply to pings or he can set it to say he's in austrailia or any where he wants)..read your post and said you threatned to tell the moderators on me ...that i made a threat about i almost felt like shutting you down with a virus that was not a threat it was a comment made to the whole thread, a threat is something i would have said directly to you in the heat of the moment which i didn't and i din't send you any thing to messup your computer either ..but u prove my point by saying u didnt have the patience to work on your wheeler..don't bring that attitude here and talk about people and make fun of their typing skills or such and call them names and such just to get a stir out of them

i do respect you for having enuff passion to hold sentimental value in something you got from your grand father props to u, really ..but it seemed like u were following me just trying to see what it would take to light my fuse..well my fuse is wet you can't get me stirred up thats why i let it go..
i take enuff narcotics and valium(prescibed to me of course) that you can't make me mad unless u put hands on my wife or daughter ..u can talk about them all u want it still wouldn't upset me ..
i have poor typing skills and greg72 pointed it out to me not by insulting me or talking rudely to me.....but if you do tell moderators and they ban me whats to stop me from cloaking my ip address and using 1 of my many other emails and signing up under another id...i don't know if i just mistoke you because i don't know you or if thats actually how u are...but everyreply i got from you seemed rude or insulting...may be u should learn to speak without an anger tone or rude trying to pull some1s chain...i have you ignored so i wouldn't have to here it but if u didn't have patience to work on your wheeler then i have nothing to learn from you....

btw if they are built rite they shouldn't break that often..however i've wasted enuff bandwidth on u

look who replied, to bad that member is on my ignore list or i would have something to read ...
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i have no desire to read your insults anymore....



then dont ignor him them, dont say it then read it anyways and still talk off topid crap in this thread.

it is for pitbull tires, take it some ware elce.

i want you to consider when you take into account the longest lug on the boggers actually run down the side wall, and create a lug that is about 2 1/2-4" tall depending upon the size you run.
i run 38.5 boggers and they are 3 1/2" shoulder lugs and these tire don't look like they can match it...and the advertised skid depth is 29/32, i dont under stand why they claim this because i used a ruler on my brand new tires and the lugs were just shy of 1 1/4"high off the carcass of the tire...i'm looking to run a taller tire and had all but made up my mind to run the 49" irocks but i want something new and exciting especially if it will do what they claim it to do...and bam i run across this...thats why i'm begging for a 20-50-16.5 to go thru the trails that are "closed" due to being eat out with 42-44" tires..i would almost bet you you would have a feeding frenzy on your hands when i pull up and cross these holes that have trails around them...everyone in the delta will want a set and it wouldn't take long for the boys across the riverin mississippi to find out theres some1 across the brige that noone can follow and half the state of mississippi has som sort of truck raised usually on 44"tires i have not heard a word about any r&d in the delta around the lower east half of arkansas ..if you can beat this gumbo then you would earn alot of loyal customers...i know people who have buried their trucks in it and have to let them stay there a month or so until it dried up...because tractors couldn't get to them and they were snapping cables left and right had 2 ramsey winches and 2 warns and two trucks in tandem as close as they could get and it wouldn't budge...come walk around in this stuff and i'll never buy another brand tire

they finally got the truck out after it dried up and had to use a wrecker so they could pick it up , with two other trucks in tandem in front of the wrecker

they managed to get the truck out minus its batteries,carb,intake,hei distributor,plug wires,watterpump,radiator,,etc anything that the vultures could take they did now if he would have had some tires to get him thru he wouldn't have lost a thing and definetly would have been crowned king

so please research in some mid mississippi mud (gumbo)and come to your own conclusion that there is a need for a tire this size send me a 1 off set and i'll research them for you i know it takes awhile to make different sizes,but we are almost 10" below our average rain fall and most of these places are deid up and the gumbo has crachs in it almost a ft deep now but feel free to come wheel with us next spring after the snow up north has melted and had the river out of its banks for2-3 months and its raining every other day and make believers out of every1

once that happens you can bet the professional mud bogger will start runing pitbulls also...i'm not trying to be snotty but it has taken yrs to figure out what will work in this stuff and part of that is know just where not to venture..and even then u bury it up to door handels with 15" of lift and 44" tires if your tire will wade throgh this stuff bring some cameras because this will be the place to film a commercial..thanks 4 ur time

The sidewall protectors have no impact on beadlocks. Plenty of guys run beadlocks with our tires.

We will have a 33x1250 in the Growler out in December.

We will have a 38.5x1350 in the Maddog next summer. This will be a skinnier tire.

We will have a 37x1350-16.5, 17, 18 & 20 in the Growler next summer as well.

I hear ya on the bigger tires. It's not that we don't want to make bigger tires...it's simply a matter of having picked those sizes we felt had the most universal appeal...up front.

We will have larger sizes down the road.

As for what works in Gumbo. All I have to say is that I've had different people tell me that our 39.5s spec out close to larger sizes in other brands.

We have CORR guys running our 33"s and winning in classes where other guys are running 35"s.

We have Mudders running our 35"s in 39.5" classes and beating out other guys using the bigger tires.

None of this is directly related to the point you make...but it's indicative of how aggressive our tires are.

Our 39.5s are big and wide. At full PSI they measure out to almost 40" and about 17.4 (on average) section width. They are wide tires with excellent flotation.

We will have a 33x1250 in the Growler out in December.

We will have a 38.5x1350 in the Maddog next summer. This will be a skinnier tire.

We will have a 37x1350-16.5, 17, 18 & 20 in the Growler next summer as well.

exelent

i guess by the look of the tred patterns that a very narrow tire would impact the tred desine and function too much.

so you wouldent be makeing "pizza cuters" like 35 or 38x 11 or 12.50?

No pizza cutter tires

planning on buying setof4, Rocker 16x39.5 I have seen large diff. in price depending on dealer. Prob. will be going with shaker, unless your price is better. :D

Pit Bull Rocker 39.5x16in. :crazy:

he is the manufacture and doesent sell the tires, go though the dealers listed on his website

Thanks :doah: :rolleyes: :D

I tell you what...when we have larger tires made...make sure you remind me and I'll come down and test my tires on a trail with you.

Mike

I tell you what...when we have larger tires made...make sure you remind me and I'll come down and test my tires on a trail with you.

Mike


is this a hint that the bigger sizes are on there way? :D

The truth is that we are working on a whole bunch of stuff and it's a matter of which trigger do we pull right now.

We are definitely coming out with 33x1250 Growlers this winter...especially a 33x1250-16 10 ply rated tire for the 3/4 and 1 ton guys...more of a workhorse tire. But...the 33 Growlers will be good for those guys who complained that our 33"x1350 Rockers were too wide too tall.

As for larger sizes...in the 42 and higher range...still a ways away right now. We will have them though...

let me know when they are ready, and i'll test a set out in this mississippi gumbo for you :D go ahead and beat the iroks out and make like a 50/20/16.5, 17 ,18 ,20...i like the 16.5's or maybe even a 15...i'll grind my calipers a little..take care, make good tires and unseat the reigning king

How do the Rockers do in mud? Street life? Noise?
My rig is a heavy DD that goes through water, over rocks, through mud, and over pavement. I am looking at some 37-39" tires for a 16" rim in the 12.50-13.50 range. What would you suggest. Other than highway, rocks would be the trucks home away from home. Would the rockers be best, or another kind? I pass by a retailer of the tires on my way home every day.
TIA
Leper

go here for some reviews...but I would suggest the Rocker for you.

Tire Info review links

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Here are some links to some reviews on our tires...plus pics from all over the place. Hopefully they upload.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...=pitbull+tires

http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/pitbulls/

http://www.ih8mud.com/reviews/fj40-pitbull-rockers.php

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359680

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369254

I am ordering my 37X13.50X16 Rockers today from Expertoffroad in Plano Tx. Are these availiable right now? About how long should shipping take on a normal order?

I've just quoted them on freight...waiting to hear back from them. As soon as they give the okay...I'll ship them out. Three days shipping to them. If they go out tomorrow...by next Tuesday at the latest.

Mike

I'm going by there after work today. I hope I like them. I still have never seen one in person. I am picking up my dana 60 on Saturday, and it will probably take me a week to get the D60 and the 14FF installed so Tuesday is fine.

pssst the first pirate link no worky.


i was thinking the other day, about the maddog, and remembered that you said the tires have exelent floatation, what has your testing show about driving on road in snow at speeds?

i was asking about skinyer tire because in snow they cut down more, i am conserened about a heavy DD with a tire that floats too much, what do you think?

I'd say if you want a tire for snow...go with the Growlers over the Maddogs.

They are a bit skinnier and tests have shown them to be a more road friendly tire for every day use. Plus tests have shown them to be an awesome snow tire.

We will have 33x1250s this winter...not sure exactly when though. And our 33x1250-16 will be a 10ply for workhorse applications.

My 39.5x16.50x16 Rockers came in Thursday. BFT!!! Not 39.5 tall like the spec sheet said, but tall. Wider than the spec sheet said at 17.00. Tires look good, but I don't think they look like they will do more than about 5K on the street. Will they??? I hope they fit my truck.

Air pressure and rim size will affect the height.

As for getting more than 5K out of them on the road...read some of the reviews from guys out there that I've linked on our website. 20,000 or more already with only about 3/32nds wear...

You'll be happy with them...just make sure you adjust the air pressure and rotate the tires.

Sweet!!!! What air pressure should they be for the street. I see that max inflation is 45 psi, but that seems like alot for street use. Leeme know.

I have to recommend the maximum air pressure for obvious reasons. That being said...some guys run them around anywhere from 25 to 35 without my approval or the approval of our company. It all depends on the weight of your rig, rim size, use, supsension...etc.

But to remind you....we do not know exactly how long the tread is going to last, on average...and I say average because there are tons of factors that affect tread wear...so each person is going to have a different experience.

Have fun.

I'd say if you want a tire for snow...go with the Growlers over the Maddogs.

They are a bit skinnier and tests have shown them to be a more road friendly tire for every day use. Plus tests have shown them to be an awesome snow tire.

We will have 33x1250s this winter...not sure exactly when though. And our 33x1250-16 will be a 10ply for workhorse applications.

I wouldn't think by looking at them they would do very well. We do alot of snow runs here in Montana. Some of the tires that perform better here are the Super Swampers and Goodyear MT/R's. The growler looks like a Baja Claw which does very poorly in the snow.

I love my MT/Rs but am looking for a new tire to try. I siped them when the were new and have almost 50K on them now. I was considering the Maddog but I need a good snow runner. Check out some of the snow run pics here.

http://www.m4x4a.org/modules/Gallery/album135

http://www.m4x4a.org/modules/Gallery/2005Frontier03122005?page=1

its about time to get me some new tires..i have been running the 15/38.5/16 boggers but i'm down to nothing but side lugs, and they stil pull a little nothing like when they where new but well enuff that i have friends try'n to talk me out of the old boggers when i get new 1's, now my delimia...i can't decide if i want an identical set since they are only $226 each! or do i want your 39.5-16.5-16 rocker @ $273 each...i know the WOW factor will go up but i'm scared my buddies still running 38-39.5" boggers or 42" or 44" tsl's will walk all around me or be pulling me out all the time because thats gotten old since my tires are worn, but i could follow them just about anywhere with the 38.5 boggers when they were new...will the 39.5 rocker give me as much traction and performance as the boggers....i'm strictly in mud ....will they make me proud or will they be up for sale a couple of weeks after i get them? just wondering what to expect and doing a little homework before i buy because they are an awesome looking tire but they just don't look like they can keep up with the 4" long side lugs on the boggers? i would like to see a good shot of the sidewalls on the rockers is there any side lugs or just whats on the top of the tire?

I will take a pic for you tonight. I just got mine in a couple days ago. IMO, it will be hard for a rock tire to keep up with a bogger in mud. But I haven't tried it yet either.