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55Willy
01-20-2002, 08:56 PM
What are you requiring us to have as far as equipment for the event...
cage, recovery points, winch..???
I would love to go and plan on it, but I don't want to be a PITA to the group by not being prepared.




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denver75k5
01-20-2002, 09:06 PM
Im pretty sure it's a " come as you are " event.

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55Willy
01-20-2002, 09:18 PM
Okay, cool but I would rather "come as you will" cus if I came as I am now...I'd need 3 trailers to get all the pieces therehttp://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif..That reminds me, I should go out and work on somethingshttp://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif



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DesertDueler
01-20-2002, 09:21 PM
I would say do a cage anyways so you are safe. Recovery points are deninatly a plus when you get stuck or arent right side up. I dont think a winch is required because I am sure there are alot of people with winches already.

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55Willy
01-20-2002, 09:34 PM
You do cage work right??? You want to give me some pointers on the construction of one...
Not too many places have a cage for a willy's with blazer floor in stock...In fact I have never even heard of anyone doing a floor swap in one.
I just don't see how I can get what I want into the inside with out havening to weld it in the wagon, but then I can't weld 360* of the tubing.
I know I'm putting the horse before the cart on this but....hell I don't even have the horse yet



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DesertDueler
01-20-2002, 09:43 PM
Yea I do the cage work. You really only need to go to the floor. THe easiest way to get it welded all the way around is weld the pipe to a 6"x6"x1/8" plate and then bolt the plate to the floor. That way you can get it really close to the body. You dont want to weld to the floor because it weakens the floor boards.

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i_4x4
01-20-2002, 10:39 PM
I have never been. This will be my 1st. I was told by a few who have gone, that Moab will find your weakest links. Every thing must be in good mechanical condition. I'm working on my upgrades.

Later Ed

Get use to the view.
Because, if your not the LEAD DOG the view never changes.

Storm Trooper
01-20-2002, 11:11 PM
OK, come one guys!
There is NO requirements to go to Moab.
Of course if your truck is stock you will not be able to do the hard trails and if it's not in good shape you will likely be working on it while we wheel but if you use common cense you will be fine. Moab has a endless number of trails from easy to extreme so the choice will be yours.
The more you can have done to your truck the better type runs you can make. If the group that shows up there is as big as I think it will be, we will need to break up into smaller groups anyway so we don't have 30 trucks on one trai and get back by midnight. We will figure it out as we get closer but EVERYONE is welcome always.
Dave

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Twiz
01-20-2002, 11:29 PM
Think about an exo' cage. With the narrower Willys body, a exo-cage would probably still be slimmer than a full-size Blazer. I dig the exo-cage thing.

Dig the Sig line too! - Laughed my butt off the first time I saw it...

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BurbinOR
01-20-2002, 11:51 PM
Now you have to get that bender............for not only your cage but my bumper! LOL&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

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CaptCrunch
01-20-2002, 11:53 PM
I wouldn't worry... there will be plenty of Rock Rookies there. Myself included hopefully If I can make everything fit the schedule. Maybe one of the hardcore guys can take me as a passenger and show how the Big Dawgs do it. http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/cool.gif

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riz
01-20-2002, 11:56 PM
<font color=purple> That's what I was thinking .

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55Willy
01-21-2002, 12:11 AM
Not to make you feel wide but...I could run 8" tube on the outside and still be narrower then a K5http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif ..but I want an inside cage, easier for seat mounts, and helps tie in my floor swap too. Exo cages are cool on some rigs.



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55Willy
01-21-2002, 12:17 AM
True..and my bumpers, my sliders, my freinds bumpers....
and for my business of making them for others too.



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mudhog
01-21-2002, 12:39 AM
if you get a bender i would be interested in a cagehttp://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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MOABDADC22
01-21-2002, 04:59 AM
All youreally need are big b@lls and at minimum, u-joints,tools and whatever you think is your weak link(axles,hubs.)

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.moabdadc22.alloffroad.com/>http://www.moabdadc22.alloffroad.com/</a>Real four wheelers don't need tools to remove body panels, paint, tail lights..etc.

55Willy
01-21-2002, 05:04 AM
My weak link is I have no motovation..that and no moneyhttp://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif
But I plan to have axle shafts and u-joints, and hubs with me.
and even front and rear drivelines.
I think the 18 or so hour drive there will be just as hard as the trails,LOL.



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Capman2k
01-22-2002, 04:29 PM
Anyone need a passenger?? I wanna go, but the only requirements I'll probably meet is a car to get there and back in :P doubt I'll have anything that would make a trail (maybe my Subaru can do an extremely easy one lol) by then though :(

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lgk5
01-22-2002, 07:02 PM
i know a55 willy's truck is petty stout,my freind barrel rolled
his three times on hells revenage.didn't even crack glass
a roll cage is still a good idea

Gold Rush
01-23-2002, 08:28 AM
I there should be two requirments mandated. First you must have a C.B. and second you must have fun!!!!!!!!


David

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FRIZZLEFRY
01-23-2002, 08:59 AM
Third,You must bring beer http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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swede413
01-24-2002, 06:58 PM
make that out of state beer, utah sells 3/2 beer

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Burt4x4
01-25-2002, 10:04 AM
What is 3/2 beer??????????

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TX Mudder
01-25-2002, 12:48 PM
I think he means 3.5 point beer (only 3.5% ETOH by volume.) Texas beer is 6 point. If you're used to drining 6 point beer, you can drink yourself sober by drinking the weak stuff.
The wife and I were hoping to go, but the truck still isn't ready for the long drive. Still need some minor body work before I get it painted and I need to install the A/C. And the poly gas tank in the garage needs to go on. And the exhaust needs to be purchased and installed. And...well you get the idea. Maybe next year. Getting closer to being done, I promise.
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Thunder
01-28-2002, 05:49 PM
Also the only place you can buy anything stronger than 3.2 beer is in a state liquor store. They open late and close early. and are never open on sundays. Utah is a BYOB state.

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Twiz
02-02-2002, 05:40 PM
Street legal in Ut &lt;= so ya'all know.

Lift law;
Measured from below the driver's seated position on lowest part of the frame to the ground.
- Up to 4500 gvw = 24"
- 4500 gvw to 7200 = 26"
- 7200 gvw and up = 28"
*I need to double check the GVW ratings, but I know the above is close. The inches are correct*

If the vehical is lifted it MUST have mud flaps. The upper 50% of the tire MUST be covered its full tread-width.
The UHP will zing you on the mud-flap law. Usualy ends up with a "Fix-it" ticket. Allthough, paying the fine (about $10-ish -?-) is also optional, as-far as I know.

Tires that stick out-side the body panel by more than 3 inches (?) must be covered by a flexible fender extension.

Bead-locks are illegal on Utah high-ways/city streets.


We are due to get the new up-dated version of the state inspection book soon, so I'll brush-up on it and make corrections as needed. -Maybe a new post-



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lgk5
02-03-2002, 09:32 AM
the mud flap is $40

55Willy
02-04-2002, 03:01 AM
Frame height, beadlocks, flaps and flares...sounds like the Willy's gets to go on a trailer.



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[b] What do you mean, Where did I get it??...I <font color=blue>BUILT</font color=blue> the damn thing!!

shawnboy
02-10-2002, 02:01 PM
Good post Eric. These are things we should all take into consideration. If there is anything else we need to know please post. Better to be wheelin' than dealin' with state troopers. Maybe Steve could make your post a sticky?
Oh by the way, I'll see how much Canadian beer I can bring across. 5%+. High octane suds!!!
Shawnboy.

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coloradok5
02-11-2002, 09:08 AM
Within the city limits (Moab) during the day just about anything goes, just kind of tricky sneaking in, I violate the mud flap and the tire thing big time, you can see 100% of my tire from the rear, but I can handle a fix-it ticket if need be, I got pulled over once with a warning.

Steve

Director of Global Expansion

Stephen
02-13-2002, 09:41 PM
OK, hate to get too serious here but here's some stuff we all need to consider.
1: be careful with the beer, not only do they not like to sell it there, they also like to take it away. They do sell 6% in Colorado and we're fortunate enough to have a lot of really good local beer so don't haul it too far. If you're coming from the west I can't help you much.

Don't take the Utah Nazi thing too far, they do have some laws but they're generally after guys that are making themselves noticed. If you keep your nose clean you should be OK.

OK, now vehicle stuff.
1: MAKE SURE YOUR TRUCK WILL RUN ON A HILL. I mean a seriously steep hill! I yell this (caps) for good reason, it's a safety issue. There are steeper climbs in the Moab area than many of you have ever seen and they're perfectly safe to climb if the motor runs and the brain is engaged. Motor dies and you're backing down nasty stuff with no power steering or brakes. Been there, done it and installed the EFI.
A good quadrajet can run very well on the steeps, they're one of the best. I never had good luck with a carter but I've seen them work OK. Whatever it is tune it to run on the steepest thing you can find.

2: make sure it will run cool. Moab is in the middle of one hot damn desert and it's not going to be cool in late august. Expect triple digit temps. If it's cooler consider it divine intervention. Do whatever you can to make sure your cooling system is up to snuff. I usually carry a weed sprayer full of water to help cool down my truck or anyone elses, it might be a good idea to have more than one with us. Along those same lines, be prepared to carry plenty of water for your passengers too. 1 Gal. per person per day is a common guideline that works pretty well. We're not exactly going to get anyone stranded with 20+ rigs on a trailride but we could spend some long days in the sun and people get grumpy and stupid when they're dehydrated.

3: Have tow points. We will be able to drag just about anything anywere but we need a place to drag from.

4: If you don't have a half cab, you need a cage. Half cabs hold up well in a roll, windshields don't.

I'm sure there's more but those are the biggies. Don't be intimidated by the requirements, there's lots of fun to be had by all levels of driver and vehicle, just a few special concerns for wheeling in this hot and dry part of the world.



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Gold Rush
02-14-2002, 09:02 AM
How about elevation? Remember the Spring Creek fiasco where I fouled all my plugs, changed them and still had to be pulled up the last part of the trail? This carb I got sure doesn't like high elevations even when thinning out the mixture. Chances of me getting FI are slim to none before August.



David

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HarryH3
02-14-2002, 09:50 AM
Moab is pretty low, at least compared to Colorado. http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/wink.gif 4,500 feet or so is what comes to mind.

To add to Stephen's reply above concerning tow points. You NEED to have tow points FRONT AND REAR. If not, then you have to volunteer your own tow strap to get wrapped around your bumper, etc, so when it gets cut, there's no one to blame but yourself. http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/shocked.gif And no, the trailer hitch ball does NOT count as a tow point!

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muddysub
02-14-2002, 05:23 PM
speaking of tow points... are the stock front hooks good enough? and i have a hitch, will one of those D-ring hitchplug things be ok? i don't want to be a pain in the a** to someone who might have to give me a hand.

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HarryH3
02-15-2002, 11:14 AM
The stock tow hooks seem to hold up well, as long as you don't do hard, running yanks with the tow strap. That can break one of the bolts, causing the hook to rotate and bend your bumper. http://coloradok5.com/forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

The D-rings that go into the receiver hitch seem to work pretty well. I haven't heard any negative things about them. I don't use the D-ring though. I just slip the end loop of the strap into the receiver and then slide the lock pin through the loop.

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AZK5
03-19-2002, 11:53 PM
Thanks Eric! I was just thinking about that since I come from a state that has virtually no wheeler laws. I think there's a headlight height requirement in AZ but it's pretty whacky high. The mudflap law is for pickups here. I think I'll fab up some removable madflaps for Moab.

landsmasher
03-22-2002, 03:58 PM
I'm coming as a spectator and student of the rocks. But my K5 is equiped with an 8400 pound PTO winch so I may be of some use there if needed. I only charge in beer of any kind other than non-alchoholic stuff.