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Old 10-03-2005, 12:02 PM   #1
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454 vs. 460

I have a guy on another forum trying to tell me that ALL ford smallblock heads are better than ANY chevy heads. I dont know really too much about ford heads in general, but I do realize that this is a very broad statement, and wasnt really backed with facts. He also said that the ford 460 was a much beefier motor than the 454. He said "the ford 460 is 4x stronger everywhere than the 454." "The 460 has a crank that's twice the size, rods that dwarf the 454's, and a block itself that is much beefier." Thats exactly what he said. Im not trying to get into a pissing match with this guy, but he has made some pretty broad (stupid) statements. If ford has better heads and better big block, why dosent everyone run them?
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:05 PM
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If ford has better heads and better big block, why dosent everyone run them?
nuff said
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:07 PM
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The Ford 460 is better in one respect that I know of. Compared to a standard Mark IV block, a 460 block can be stroked to well over 500+ cubic inches before you need to start grinding the bottoms of the cylinder bores and oil pan rails for rod and counterweight clearance, while if I'm not mistaken, you have to start doing that immediately as soon you start trying to push a 454 beyond 468 cubes with a longer stroke beyond 4.00-inches. That much I do know about 460's advantages over the 454.
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:15 PM
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Heres a way to look at it... How many ford motors have you seen swaped into a Chevrolet? now how many Chevrolet motors have you seen swaped into a ford
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Why did Ford change their entire gas engine line up
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:29 PM
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Well, I can say from experience (I own a 454 and a 460), that both motors are about the same. The 460 is a great design, based on the 429 and a whole lot improved over the 390/428 design with the intake that is part of the cylinder head. As far as a comparison, I'd say they're about the same as far as ease of maintenenace, power, fuel economy. I do know that the Chevy parts are cheaper, but not by a whole lot.
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Old 10-03-2005, 12:52 PM
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Why did Ford change their entire gas engine line up
They did because the designs of the 302, 351, and 460 were getting really, really aged and it was getting harder and harder for Ford to get those engines to comply with ever-tightening federal and California emissions standards, that's why. Also, because the new Triton-series OHC engines are built with all metric parts, those engines are less expensive to build now too. Those same reasons were also the reasons why GM finally completely redesigned the small-block Chevy too.

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An additional note.

Also, it should be worth noting that to create the Triton series engines, all Ford did was take the design of the exotic, very limited production 429 SOHC big-block from the 60's and modernize it, downsize it, and convert all the dimensions over to metric! And slap on an additional two cylinders in the case of the 6.8L V-10!
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Old 10-03-2005, 01:24 PM
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Why did Ford change their entire gas engine line up
Probably for the same reason GM and Dodge did.......................
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Old 10-03-2005, 01:30 PM
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I've seen the two sitting next to each other at a motor shop. The 460 is much larger than the 454...but there's a downside to that. Weight. The 460 is a hog compared to a BBC, and exactly as said, if it's so much better, why doesn't everyone run them? Simple fact is the BBC can put out the same power and you don't hear of horrible failures because it's smaller than the Ford. I'll stick to the lighter, cheaper, easier to build BBC.
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